Comments on: The next step for fighting 42 days http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/ If there wasn't one before, it's time we started it... Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:22:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Lee Griffin http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/#comment-14242 Lee Griffin Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:28:47 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=903#comment-14242 It seems DD has 25 opponents. This is great, hopefully they will all put time and effort to the campaign in equal measure and really push up the turn out! It seems DD has 25 opponents. This is great, hopefully they will all put time and effort to the campaign in equal measure and really push up the turn out!

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/#comment-14148 Lee Griffin Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:22:13 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=903#comment-14148 <a href="http://tomcharris.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/haltemprice-howden-an-armchair-guide/" rel="nofollow">As you can see</a> this turnout issue is already being peddled by Labour supporters. I mean this guy is a complete knob by suggesting that only a 70%+ turnout will be a success, he's laying the groundwork for an almost certainty of calling Davis a loser. Others will be trying to spin similar lines. As you can see this turnout issue is already being peddled by Labour supporters. I mean this guy is a complete knob by suggesting that only a 70%+ turnout will be a success, he’s laying the groundwork for an almost certainty of calling Davis a loser. Others will be trying to spin similar lines.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/#comment-14145 Lee Griffin Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:13:09 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=903#comment-14145 "I agree that you dont necessarily need a ‘champion’ but in the localised context of H&H there is the practical question of the by-election itself and people cant cast an anti-42day vote, they have to cast a vote for a specific candidate" I wrote the article before the news of Shan standing broke, so that's obviously an option now. That said, if someone doesn't want to vote either than there is a smaller victory to be had of simply getting them to vote. One way or another a higher turnout is a benefit and a victory for the campaign, as long as someone standing on an anti-42 platform wins, if this means getting people to simply turn up and spoil ballots then we can direct the narrative from an early stage that spoiled ballots = anti-labour protest votes. There are many facets of what we can do. I didn't get as much out of yesterday as I'd hoped, but I'm going to have some more thoughts about how we can pressure these other MPs, if anyone has any experience of getting people from other constituencies involved in letter writing to their MP, or how to get the message out to them, I'd love to hear more. “I agree that you dont necessarily need a ‘champion’ but in the localised context of H&H there is the practical question of the by-election itself and people cant cast an anti-42day vote, they have to cast a vote for a specific candidate”

I wrote the article before the news of Shan standing broke, so that’s obviously an option now. That said, if someone doesn’t want to vote either than there is a smaller victory to be had of simply getting them to vote. One way or another a higher turnout is a benefit and a victory for the campaign, as long as someone standing on an anti-42 platform wins, if this means getting people to simply turn up and spoil ballots then we can direct the narrative from an early stage that spoiled ballots = anti-labour protest votes. There are many facets of what we can do.

I didn’t get as much out of yesterday as I’d hoped, but I’m going to have some more thoughts about how we can pressure these other MPs, if anyone has any experience of getting people from other constituencies involved in letter writing to their MP, or how to get the message out to them, I’d love to hear more.

]]> By: Matt Wardman http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/#comment-14128 Matt Wardman Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:43:30 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=903#comment-14128 And I hope that party people will be fighting these battles inside the parties - especially at this stage, perhaps, the Tories. And I hope that party people will be fighting these battles inside the parties - especially at this stage, perhaps, the Tories.

]]> By: douglas clark http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/#comment-14125 douglas clark Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:58:30 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=903#comment-14125 Matt, <blockquote>Parallel to the things you suggest, I would like to begin seeing pressure applied to get specific promises as to what is going in General Election manifestos, and which laws will be repealed.</blockquote> Excellent point. Matt,

Parallel to the things you suggest, I would like to begin seeing pressure applied to get specific promises as to what is going in General Election manifestos, and which laws will be repealed.

Excellent point.

]]> By: Matt Wardman http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/#comment-14124 Matt Wardman Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:24:41 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=903#comment-14124 As I see it, the one thing H&H will do is give an opportunity to keep the debate on the agenda for some extra time - regardless of views on DD. Also, there seem to be a number of other stories at the moment keeping Civil Liberties to the fore - Zimbabwe (showing Civil Liberties in a differen context), data privacy (reports today rebuking the govt), MPs possibly caving in on transparency, blogger code (freedom of expression) and local autorities being slapped down on misuse of RIPA powers. And don't forget the continuing Libel Law and websites stuff (Usmanov was back in the news last weekend but I - for one - haven't blogged it yet). Parallel to the things you suggest, I would like to begin seeing pressure applied to get specific promises as to what is going in General Election manifestos, and which laws will be repealed. As I see it, the one thing H&H will do is give an opportunity to keep the debate on the agenda for some extra time - regardless of views on DD.

Also, there seem to be a number of other stories at the moment keeping Civil Liberties to the fore - Zimbabwe (showing Civil Liberties in a differen context), data privacy (reports today rebuking the govt), MPs possibly caving in on transparency, blogger code (freedom of expression) and local autorities being slapped down on misuse of RIPA powers.

And don’t forget the continuing Libel Law and websites stuff (Usmanov was back in the news last weekend but I - for one - haven’t blogged it yet).

Parallel to the things you suggest, I would like to begin seeing pressure applied to get specific promises as to what is going in General Election manifestos, and which laws will be repealed.

]]> By: Darrell http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/#comment-14105 Darrell Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:58:36 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=903#comment-14105 People dont have to spoil their ballot in H&H if they dont want to vote for Davis, they can vote Green. I agree that you dont necessarily need a 'champion' but in the localised context of H&H there is the practical question of the by-election itself and people cant cast an anti-42day vote, they have to cast a vote for a specific candidate. I think your proposal has merit when it comes to talking about a wider nationalising of the debate but in the local context its slightly more tricky because invariably people will turn round and say 'which candidate do we vote for then.' to which we will have to say either'or As your piece goes on I find myself more in agreement as to the ways this can be creatively used.....in addition to protests i would suggest targeted letter writing campaigns to the local media of the MP's you suggest... People dont have to spoil their ballot in H&H if they dont want to vote for Davis, they can vote Green. I agree that you dont necessarily need a ‘champion’ but in the localised context of H&H there is the practical question of the by-election itself and people cant cast an anti-42day vote, they have to cast a vote for a specific candidate. I think your proposal has merit when it comes to talking about a wider nationalising of the debate but in the local context its slightly more tricky because invariably people will turn round and say ‘which candidate do we vote for then.’ to which we will have to say either’or

As your piece goes on I find myself more in agreement as to the ways this can be creatively used…..in addition to protests i would suggest targeted letter writing campaigns to the local media of the MP’s you suggest…

]]> By: Ian H http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/25/the-next-step-for-fighting-42-days/#comment-14103 Ian H Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:11:09 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=903#comment-14103 Spread the word: http://www.daviddavisforfreedom.com/index.cfm?fa=contentNews.newsDetails&newsId=61800&ieFix=true#18489 Spread the word:

http://www.daviddavisforfreedom.com/index.cfm?fa=contentNews.newsDetails&newsId=61800&ieFix=true#18489

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