Ha. Ha. Ha.

That’s not what Rasmussen found in February:

Seventy-one percent (71%) of the nation’s voters say they would be willing to vote for a woman for President. Seventeen percent (17%) say they would not and 11% are not sure.

Results are similar when asked about voting for an African-American—73% are willing to cast such a vote, 14% are not, and 13% are not sure…

…While the overwhelming majority of voters say they could vote for a woman or an African-American, just 56% believe their family, friends, and co-workers would be willing to do the same. Among senior citizens, just 41% believe their peers would be willing to vote for a woman. Forty percent (40%) believe their peers would be willing to vote for an African-American.

These results are broadly consistent with the findings of earlier surveys.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971980/posts

The last time i checked i am a woman and i did NOT find the above photoshopped image offensive.

Careful now, you’ll be accused of selling out the sisterhood named a gender traitor for siding with the evil ‘lads’ who are obviously running amok waving copies of nutz and zoo about the place like the hooligans they are…

That is hubris.

For all three candidates. But is is also probably true. You get to keep the best ‘illuminated parking lot’ weapons, all to yourself. You get to use your force wherever you want. You get to play God.

Of the three, I’d have thought Barak Obama was least likely to play God.

Still, you never know.

Look…

1. The word ‘cunt’ has long since passed into generic usage as a term of non-gender specific abuse - in fact just about the only places you’ll find the word used in a gender specific context are in the Vagina Monologues and in porn films, albeit that the context in each is rather different.

2. You evidence for a misogynistic ‘campaign’ against Clinton is what? A bit of blog chatter from the kind of people who consider NASCAR to be their national sport?

Look, the American right loathes Clinton because she’s a Clinton and not because she’s a woman - gender doesn’t really come into it and I’d be willing to bet that if Bill were running for elected office then some bright spark would still have come up the ‘CUNT’ acronym…

eventually…

after they’d exhausted all the possible blow-job gags.

On the Dems side, most of the chatter is that Hill’s ‘Is it because I’s a woman’ shtick has gotten real old, real fast and is increasingly costing her support because its seen as a combination of making poor excuses and a piss-poor attempt at a bit of emotional blackmail.

So far as the general mood goes, the vibe I’m getting is that she’s doing a fine job of funnelling support to Obama, especially amongst the party’s top brass who’ve already done the numbers and figured that they stand a much better chance of beating McCain with Obama than with Clinton and her claims of sexism in the face of calls from Democrats who want her to stand aside and let the party get on with the job of going for McCain have gone down particularly badly.

Bottom line, what the poll data says is that the number of American’s who wouldn’t vote Clinton because she’s a woman is about a third of number who’ve said they vote Obama because they’re convinced he’s a closet Muslim.

If anyone really does think that sexism is factor in the democrat nomination process then they’re really, seriously misreading the situation over there.

I’ve had to skim read most of the posts because they went from acceptable to mediocre to complete and utter PC rubbish.

The last time i checked i am a woman and i did NOT find the above photoshopped image offensive. Its beside the point that i didnt actually react either way - i did find the Bush version amusing though….

LOL - Brilliant.

Yes, exactly (though if Obama is the Dem nominee, I think the Republicans will step up their racist rhetoric, they’re currently spending money on focus groups to find out the best ways of making coded attacks on his race without being called on it).

Hillary’s been the subject of really vicious misogynist attacks for at least 16 years (including John McCain amongst others telling ‘jokes’ about her sexuality), and during this campaign.

Pah!

Of course there are women who don’t find the word cunt offensive, and in certain circumstances I probably wouldn’t. But this argument isn’t necessarily about the word cunt, it’s about the context in which it’s being used. It’s also about the reaction from certain folk here when presented with evidence that some people are offended by the picture, as well as by the way other contributors have trivialised people’s legitimate grievances.

As Sunny pointed out in an earlier post, Clinton has been the subject of some pretty vile misogynistic abuse as well as more subtle sexism throughout the campaign. GOP supporters set up Citizens United Not Timid (CUNT) and made t-shirts with CUNT emblazoned across them, so this image certainly isn’t the first time that Clinton has been linked with the word; a main part of their message is that they don’t want a cunt in the white house. So there’s a history behind this image, one that has sexism and misogyny at its heart.

If this picture had been of Obama standing in front of a banner reading ‘nigger’ this entire debate would have been completely different. Instead of all the lads laughing along at it, we’d have been discussing how although some black americans have reclaimed the word for their own use, and how maybe it’s ok for those people to use it, taken out of context it still remains a word freighted with racism.

There’s been a similar bid among feminists like Eve Ensler in the Vagina Monologues for women to reclaim the word cunt. I would argue that that hasn’t really happened yet, or that where it has it’s taken a similar route to ‘nigger’. So while I might at a push accept being called a cunt by another woman, when used by a man against a woman it takes on a different meaning and becomes once more a misogynistic term of abuse, in much the same way as ‘nigger’ is racist coming from a white person.

One of the main issues to come out of the democratic race has been the realisation that while racism is now very much a no no, and any hint of it has been forcefully condemned by all sides, sexism is still very much alive and kicking, and still, it would appear, socially acceptable. Rather than trying to expose it and tackle it, a significant portion of the msm and bloggers have instead joined in. Personally I thought LC was above all that, but I was obviously wrong.

Heh, I know. Though most arguing here are grown up enough not to make it into a Judean Front issue, this kind of arguing does depress me.

On the one hand I think its worth stressing that some people do find it offensive and its not necessarily about the others being humour-less. I know Leon and Unity are not even near being sexist but promoting and distributing such stuff is great fodder for the real mysoginists.

On the other, I accept not all women will find it offensive (Cath!) and I know women who freely use cunt with other women or men and just see it as a term of abuse like prick etc. So I guess there’s little reason to generalise there either.

Either way, as Gracchi said, this kind of stuff doesn’t help.

Even drawing attention to terms which might cause offense falls into the trap of creating divisions, so I think this article has objectively failed to prosecute this site’s stated mission on this occasion.

There’s something ironic about the fact the author’s moniker is Unity…

Ah, but they were probably written by women, so their opinions don’t count eh Leon?

Wow! That’s amazing that, did you see that everyone, she just fabricated my entire political outlook in one easy sentence. No need for honest debate/engagement when we have the Karl Rove playbook at hand eh Cath?

As a woman i don’t find it sexist. Wasn’t all that amusing but i wasn’t offended

I quite openly use the word towards/about men and women alike. It is just a body part at the end of the day. And had the word bollocks or dick been plastered in the same way behind Obama or anyone else i don’t think we would have been having the same debate or one at all. The use of racist words is a different debate altogether in my opinion and does not provide a good comparison

obviously everyone has a right to be offended by it but that doesn’t necessarily mean other people should be apologetic towards you on this matter just because they find it amusing or are indifferent towards it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/24/welcome-to-the-gutter-ri_n_83062.html

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/

Ah, but they were probably written by women, so their opinions don’t count eh Leon?

Can I just say I didn’t find it funny in the least? I looked at it went ok and my eyes glided to the debate. Its just not that amusing- its offensive and pretty useless at either entertaining me or doing anything else. What point is it trying to get across? That Hillary Clinton isn’t a nice person- to be honest I don’t care, I wouldn’t be electing my her as my best friend: were I American, I would be electing her to make decisions about economic, foreign and various other policy matters.

There is also this whole stuff about political correctness- why can’t we on the left get sensible for once about political correctness. There is the list of things which should be illegal, there is a list of things that are impolite and there is a list of things which are normal good mannered things to say. To me this sits straight in teh second category- it upsets people and it doesn’t upset them to make a point, or even make a good joke, it upsets people just because some clown with the humour of a twelve year old thinks that the word c*** is funny, particularly when its next to a woman who is a politician. I don’t think that’s a good enough excuse for what is really a semi-sexist joke- I don’t think it should be illegal but then neither do I think that kids teasing each other in a playground should be dragged off to jail or that people saying that someone looks fat should be forced at gunpoint to recant- but I don’t think they should do it either.

Stand by for my upcoming post then: “Men are wankers”, but hey, don’t worry Leon, it won’t be about gender.

Virtually all men are at some point, it’s called puberty.

So there’s no sexism in a picture of a woman with the word cunt behind her, and when nearly all the women posting here tell you it’s offensive and misogynist your response is that we must all be po faced humourless fems? And you still maintain that none of this is about gender?

And you think this amazingly small sample is in anyway representative of all women? Staggering presumption…I could show you quite a few women who’d look at that picture and laugh and not find it offensive because they shared the same genitals as the subject…anyway, to refresh my thinking, and take a step back from the absurdly engineered polarisation, I thought I’d have a look at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt

Makes for some interesting reading…

Stand by for my upcoming post then: “Men are wankers”, but hey, don’t worry Leon, it won’t be about gender.

Leon - “you said it yourself you’ll be leaving over one single post you don’t like and two people having views you can’t tolerate”

No, I said ‘the rest of the very few women.”

Yeah, keep laughing Leon. When you, Unity and others have managed to piss off and drive away the rest of the very few women posting on this site you can all clap yourselves on the back and have a good laugh about how you’re well rid of the humourless fems.

And yet more po faced bullshit. Keep trying to bring it down to your gender all you like but it aint about that…nice piece of us vs them gender coercion you’re trying but sorry I don’t buy it. I’ve learnt people will always try and re-frame the debate to suit their agenda rather than actually engage in this game we call politics…

Fcuk off.

Why should I have to, you said it yourself you’ll be leaving over one single post you don’t like and two people having views you can’t tolerate, I don’t have to go anywhere!