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	<title>Comments on: Why concentrating on scandal misses the point</title>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4688</link>
		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ DK: What exactly is a minarchist?</description>
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		<title>By: Devil's Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4652</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas,

I'm sorry, I do have better things to do than eagerly and constantly refresh this page to see if anyone has replied to something I've said. Re: global warming, I'm not going to rise to that bait except to say, at least I go and look for evidence, rather than supping up what anyone wants to feed to me.

Ashok, I don't think that anarcho-capitalism would work (or not well), which is why I am a minarchist and not an anarchist. I think that one has to have a massive faith in the inherent sensible and decent nature of humans to be an anarchist, and I don't have that.

DK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I do have better things to do than eagerly and constantly refresh this page to see if anyone has replied to something I&#8217;ve said. Re: global warming, I&#8217;m not going to rise to that bait except to say, at least I go and look for evidence, rather than supping up what anyone wants to feed to me.</p>
<p>Ashok, I don&#8217;t think that anarcho-capitalism would work (or not well), which is why I am a minarchist and not an anarchist. I think that one has to have a massive faith in the inherent sensible and decent nature of humans to be an anarchist, and I don&#8217;t have that.</p>
<p>DK</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4649</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be the same little DK that tries to come across as sensible, would it? The same little DK that is in denial about Global Warming? The self same  person that cannot reply to a question, viz:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Just a question for DK: Under what conditions, do you think, anarcho-capitalism is feasible?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You've got to love him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be the same little DK that tries to come across as sensible, would it? The same little DK that is in denial about Global Warming? The self same  person that cannot reply to a question, viz:</p>
<blockquote><p>Just a question for DK: Under what conditions, do you think, anarcho-capitalism is feasible?</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;ve got to love him.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Richard Schweitzer</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4641</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Richard Schweitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider what "Policies" really are.

Consdier how "Policies" are determined.

Consider the effects of those who participate in determining "Policies."

Consider those ingredients of the "Policies" cake.

Eat bread!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider what &#8220;Policies&#8221; really are.</p>
<p>Consdier how &#8220;Policies&#8221; are determined.</p>
<p>Consider the effects of those who participate in determining &#8220;Policies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Consider those ingredients of the &#8220;Policies&#8221; cake.</p>
<p>Eat bread!</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4639</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy in its full diversity also includes scutineers in their full diversity with their full range of perspectives, so since GF has his built his niche he is welcome to keep it, so long as he stays in it. 

GF is a player in the game, but when he starts to dig away at the rest of our democratic infrastructure he oversteps his mark and is imposing a world-view based on the self-fulfilling prophecies of his own political philosophy and is trying to assume a role bigger than that which he is competent or capable of completing, thereby contradicting any claim of gentlemanly adherence to fair play.

I take it that he's just conflicted by his jealousy of the reach and influence of the journalistic commentators in the established and accredited MSM, while angst-ridden by his inability to work under an editor with the attendant strictures of professionalism that he'd be forced to comply with. 

His fun is a practical outlet for his frustrations (which contributes to the overall mix), but it'd be a different blog with a very different audience if he actually advocated something positive.

GF: one of the best amateurs, but still an amateur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy in its full diversity also includes scutineers in their full diversity with their full range of perspectives, so since GF has his built his niche he is welcome to keep it, so long as he stays in it. </p>
<p>GF is a player in the game, but when he starts to dig away at the rest of our democratic infrastructure he oversteps his mark and is imposing a world-view based on the self-fulfilling prophecies of his own political philosophy and is trying to assume a role bigger than that which he is competent or capable of completing, thereby contradicting any claim of gentlemanly adherence to fair play.</p>
<p>I take it that he&#8217;s just conflicted by his jealousy of the reach and influence of the journalistic commentators in the established and accredited MSM, while angst-ridden by his inability to work under an editor with the attendant strictures of professionalism that he&#8217;d be forced to comply with. </p>
<p>His fun is a practical outlet for his frustrations (which contributes to the overall mix), but it&#8217;d be a different blog with a very different audience if he actually advocated something positive.</p>
<p>GF: one of the best amateurs, but still an amateur.</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4633</link>
		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From DK, above:

"From my perspective — in other words, that of a free-market, minarchist libertarian — this is precisely what is wrong with politics: politicians should be able to do so little that they can do no harm with their policies. You, no doubt, would argue that then they could do no “good”. In return, of course, I would argue that they never have."

Just a question for DK: Under what conditions, do you think, anarcho-capitalism is feasible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From DK, above:</p>
<p>&#8220;From my perspective — in other words, that of a free-market, minarchist libertarian — this is precisely what is wrong with politics: politicians should be able to do so little that they can do no harm with their policies. You, no doubt, would argue that then they could do no “good”. In return, of course, I would argue that they never have.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a question for DK: Under what conditions, do you think, anarcho-capitalism is feasible?</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4630</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He does it he says because he has a ’suspicious mind’ and because the louder you hear a politician bleat about how normal they are, the closer you should clutch your wallet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, Guido doesn't say that at all. He said &lt;i&gt;[emphasis mine]&lt;/i&gt;...

&lt;blockquote&gt;... The louder they claim it is &lt;b&gt;because they &lt;i&gt;"want to make a difference"&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, the tighter you should grip your wallet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He is quite correct, because the main way that politicians seem to think that they can make a difference is by spending more money. Since the state -- and, by extension, politicians -- has no money but what it takes from us in taxes, a politician promising to do good usually means to take more cash from our wallets.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Because its my case that even if politicians are as venal and horrible as Fawkes says, that doesn’t matter so much compared to the harm that they do with their policies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From my perspective -- in other words, that of a free-market, minarchist libertarian -- this is precisely what is wrong with politics: politicians should be able to do so little that they can do no harm with their policies. You, no doubt, would argue that then they could do no "good". In return, of course, I would argue that they never have.

But, of course, I am far closer to Guido's politics than you are (else you wouldn't be writing here). Guido has, by the way, &lt;a href="http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2008/02/guido_v_gracchi.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;replied to you&lt;/a&gt;.

DK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He does it he says because he has a ’suspicious mind’ and because the louder you hear a politician bleat about how normal they are, the closer you should clutch your wallet.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, Guido doesn&#8217;t say that at all. He said <i>[emphasis mine]</i>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; The louder they claim it is <b>because they <i>&#8220;want to make a difference&#8221;</i></b>, the tighter you should grip your wallet.</p></blockquote>
<p>He is quite correct, because the main way that politicians seem to think that they can make a difference is by spending more money. Since the state &#8212; and, by extension, politicians &#8212; has no money but what it takes from us in taxes, a politician promising to do good usually means to take more cash from our wallets.</p>
<blockquote><p>Because its my case that even if politicians are as venal and horrible as Fawkes says, that doesn’t matter so much compared to the harm that they do with their policies.</p></blockquote>
<p>From my perspective &#8212; in other words, that of a free-market, minarchist libertarian &#8212; this is precisely what is wrong with politics: politicians should be able to do so little that they can do no harm with their policies. You, no doubt, would argue that then they could do no &#8220;good&#8221;. In return, of course, I would argue that they never have.</p>
<p>But, of course, I am far closer to Guido&#8217;s politics than you are (else you wouldn&#8217;t be writing here). Guido has, by the way, <a href="http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2008/02/guido_v_gracchi.html" rel="nofollow">replied to you</a>.</p>
<p>DK</p>
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		<title>By: DonaldS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonaldS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All well and good, and I guess I largely agree (with the post), but what I don't get is *why on earth* we're the slightest bit interested in what Guido's up to. He's a twat, an irritating one at that, but him and his mate Iain are largely preaching to their little set of the converted. Let them in peace. They don't enter my radar by the clever device of just not pointing my browser their way.

The fact that, over at LabourHome, they're even *debating* whether he should be on their sidebar or not is equally amusing: *of course he shouldn't*. Just ignore him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All well and good, and I guess I largely agree (with the post), but what I don&#8217;t get is *why on earth* we&#8217;re the slightest bit interested in what Guido&#8217;s up to. He&#8217;s a twat, an irritating one at that, but him and his mate Iain are largely preaching to their little set of the converted. Let them in peace. They don&#8217;t enter my radar by the clever device of just not pointing my browser their way.</p>
<p>The fact that, over at LabourHome, they&#8217;re even *debating* whether he should be on their sidebar or not is equally amusing: *of course he shouldn&#8217;t*. Just ignore him.</p>
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		<title>By: Garbo</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4607</link>
		<dc:creator>Garbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most sensible thing I have read in the blogosphere for some time.  Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Normal Mouth</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>Normal Mouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting post.

Like many people, I regard GF as a odious prat with a massively exaggerated sense of his own importance/influence and a rather tedious paranoia about the mainstream media.

But please don't fall into the trap of decrying the scandal sheet. It's been around since pretty much the dawn of the printing press and is an important part of a fully functioning polity (and, more latterly, democracy).

The analytical stuff is important too, hence the place of pamphleteers (think Paine and Burke) in our discourse. But twe should have both of these forms of scrutiny, rather than be obliged to choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting post.</p>
<p>Like many people, I regard GF as a odious prat with a massively exaggerated sense of his own importance/influence and a rather tedious paranoia about the mainstream media.</p>
<p>But please don&#8217;t fall into the trap of decrying the scandal sheet. It&#8217;s been around since pretty much the dawn of the printing press and is an important part of a fully functioning polity (and, more latterly, democracy).</p>
<p>The analytical stuff is important too, hence the place of pamphleteers (think Paine and Burke) in our discourse. But twe should have both of these forms of scrutiny, rather than be obliged to choose.</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4605</link>
		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, yours is a good post. Thanks for sharing this.

I wish you had raised more explicitly the question of why it is we want to believe those we disagree with are corrupt. On the surface, it seems easy - if people are wrong, well, they must be morally wrong! 

But that's not how we conduct ourselves in private life - au contraire, we usually have friends whose values diverge sharply from ours.

There's something about the public sphere, something about the way ideologies are mass marketed nowadays, that's giving credibility to Guido's sort of claim, where anything that goes wrong is criminality, so if you eliminate the criminality, then all is perfect.

If you'd comment more on that, I'd be much obliged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, yours is a good post. Thanks for sharing this.</p>
<p>I wish you had raised more explicitly the question of why it is we want to believe those we disagree with are corrupt. On the surface, it seems easy - if people are wrong, well, they must be morally wrong! </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not how we conduct ourselves in private life - au contraire, we usually have friends whose values diverge sharply from ours.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something about the public sphere, something about the way ideologies are mass marketed nowadays, that&#8217;s giving credibility to Guido&#8217;s sort of claim, where anything that goes wrong is criminality, so if you eliminate the criminality, then all is perfect.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d comment more on that, I&#8217;d be much obliged.</p>
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		<title>By: anticant</title>
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		<dc:creator>anticant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, anticant is lunching with a Tory front-bencher this week, and will do a bit of ear-bending!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, anticant is lunching with a Tory front-bencher this week, and will do a bit of ear-bending!</p>
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		<title>By: dreamingspire</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreamingspire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anticant is getting near the truth of why the media, etc have been very wary of promoting a better way of running the country: the media and others who would put forward clear views not just on policies but also on implementation methods, like MPs and civil servants, has been bullied into silence. The political climate is different now, but it will take a while for the patients to recover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anticant is getting near the truth of why the media, etc have been very wary of promoting a better way of running the country: the media and others who would put forward clear views not just on policies but also on implementation methods, like MPs and civil servants, has been bullied into silence. The political climate is different now, but it will take a while for the patients to recover.</p>
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		<title>By: anticant</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4599</link>
		<dc:creator>anticant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that anyone who recalls the euphoria which greeted "New Labour's" first triumph with its promise of a cleaner, more transparent politics can do is to throw up.  NuLab has done immense damage to the political system - far worse than the preceding Tory sleaze - with its witless conviction that spin is all, and the only thing that matters is presentation. 

The new 'counter-terrorism phrasebook', with its inane examples of the 'correct' language to use when talking to [not 'with', of course] Muslim communities, is typical and would be laughable if the topic weren't so deadly serious.

What we want, as this post says, is new policies - not  yet more NuLab gobbledygook. This sad crowd long ago ran out of useful ideas, but they can't stop churning out inane drivel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that anyone who recalls the euphoria which greeted &#8220;New Labour&#8217;s&#8221; first triumph with its promise of a cleaner, more transparent politics can do is to throw up.  NuLab has done immense damage to the political system - far worse than the preceding Tory sleaze - with its witless conviction that spin is all, and the only thing that matters is presentation. </p>
<p>The new &#8216;counter-terrorism phrasebook&#8217;, with its inane examples of the &#8216;correct&#8217; language to use when talking to [not 'with', of course] Muslim communities, is typical and would be laughable if the topic weren&#8217;t so deadly serious.</p>
<p>What we want, as this post says, is new policies - not  yet more NuLab gobbledygook. This sad crowd long ago ran out of useful ideas, but they can&#8217;t stop churning out inane drivel.</p>
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		<title>By: BlairSupporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlairSupporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. It's about time someone argued the positive case rather than the opposite. Guido and people who frequent his abode sound like 19 years olds with a chip on their shoulders.

Their arguments are specious and shallow and lacking REAL veracity. They are opinion. Just like many of our newspapers.

Having said that, since I started blogging (and I have a particular, some might say "peculiar" interest) I have come across some well-researched blogs, though usually from the USA.

And they write better English!

And here we can't depend on intelligent people to rise above the gutter sniping. For example, I just came across a blog by someone who says he is a Lincoln's Inn barrister. This is how he finished his "article" after piling abuse on Tony &#38; Cherie Blair ("embarrasssingly a member of my Inn") :

"Why oh why oh why oh why can’t the useless rag-head pillocks in Al Queda assassinate him? It would be great PR for them: many of us would revise our low opinion of them if they could do us this one small service. Their ineptness is proof that the terrorism ‘threat’ is laughable."

Is there ANY hope for the British blogger, when this is thought acceptable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. It&#8217;s about time someone argued the positive case rather than the opposite. Guido and people who frequent his abode sound like 19 years olds with a chip on their shoulders.</p>
<p>Their arguments are specious and shallow and lacking REAL veracity. They are opinion. Just like many of our newspapers.</p>
<p>Having said that, since I started blogging (and I have a particular, some might say &#8220;peculiar&#8221; interest) I have come across some well-researched blogs, though usually from the USA.</p>
<p>And they write better English!</p>
<p>And here we can&#8217;t depend on intelligent people to rise above the gutter sniping. For example, I just came across a blog by someone who says he is a Lincoln&#8217;s Inn barrister. This is how he finished his &#8220;article&#8221; after piling abuse on Tony &amp; Cherie Blair (&#8221;embarrasssingly a member of my Inn&#8221;) :</p>
<p>&#8220;Why oh why oh why oh why can’t the useless rag-head pillocks in Al Queda assassinate him? It would be great PR for them: many of us would revise our low opinion of them if they could do us this one small service. Their ineptness is proof that the terrorism ‘threat’ is laughable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there ANY hope for the British blogger, when this is thought acceptable?</p>
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		<title>By: voter</title>
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		<dc:creator>voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi - Please check out this site and cast your vote:</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Griffin</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4592</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always felt that it is to do with the nations perpetually growing perverse interest in "celebrity", and perhaps even politicians trying to feed in to that sense of celebrity, that causes this kind of "scandal". The trouble is, as you've said, the personal is not political and the politicians haven't grown far enough away from parties and governments to not tarnish the whole system.

This stuff with Hain was a farce, and at worst showed what we already knew, that people do stuff that perhaps is a conflict of interests because there is a lack of transparancy. Conway's shame is a little more because of the public money involved but it doesn't change the fact he wouldn't have been able to do it in the first place if it wasn't one big old boys club with rules for themselves and others for the rest of us.

I agree totally with the sentiment of this post, I really, really hope I'll see the day when the underlying issues are addressed rather than the (un)glitzy celebrityesque angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that it is to do with the nations perpetually growing perverse interest in &#8220;celebrity&#8221;, and perhaps even politicians trying to feed in to that sense of celebrity, that causes this kind of &#8220;scandal&#8221;. The trouble is, as you&#8217;ve said, the personal is not political and the politicians haven&#8217;t grown far enough away from parties and governments to not tarnish the whole system.</p>
<p>This stuff with Hain was a farce, and at worst showed what we already knew, that people do stuff that perhaps is a conflict of interests because there is a lack of transparancy. Conway&#8217;s shame is a little more because of the public money involved but it doesn&#8217;t change the fact he wouldn&#8217;t have been able to do it in the first place if it wasn&#8217;t one big old boys club with rules for themselves and others for the rest of us.</p>
<p>I agree totally with the sentiment of this post, I really, really hope I&#8217;ll see the day when the underlying issues are addressed rather than the (un)glitzy celebrityesque angle.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4591</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the nail on the head I'd say... though you give far too much credit to one blogger only because he'll publish stuff others aren't willing to do so for reasons of libel, bad taste or just vested interests. 

The problem is with political journalism itself too I'd say. Blogs just take that one level further.

&lt;i&gt;The challenge for journalists and others including people on this site is not to find out who is more corrupt but to provide us with accounts of why the conventional wisdom is wrong, what answers it fails to give and how it can be improved. &lt;/i&gt;

Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the nail on the head I&#8217;d say&#8230; though you give far too much credit to one blogger only because he&#8217;ll publish stuff others aren&#8217;t willing to do so for reasons of libel, bad taste or just vested interests. </p>
<p>The problem is with political journalism itself too I&#8217;d say. Blogs just take that one level further.</p>
<p><i>The challenge for journalists and others including people on this site is not to find out who is more corrupt but to provide us with accounts of why the conventional wisdom is wrong, what answers it fails to give and how it can be improved. </i></p>
<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err,

This is a better reference:

http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2008/01/to_donal_blaney.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err,</p>
<p>This is a better reference:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2008/01/to_donal_blaney.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2008/01/to_donal_blaney.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/02/03/why-concentrating-on-scandal-misses-the-point/#comment-4589</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guido Fawkes, whilst critical perhaps of our political masters, and orgasmic when they fall from grace, is apparently perfectly willing to use the laws that they created to attempt to silence other bloggers. Here:

http://www.bloggerheads.com/

This is, I would hazard, a selective view of our evil masters. When they pass laws you can use against others, use them. When they don't pass laws that suit you, castigate them. Quite the little libertarian? Not really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guido Fawkes, whilst critical perhaps of our political masters, and orgasmic when they fall from grace, is apparently perfectly willing to use the laws that they created to attempt to silence other bloggers. Here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloggerheads.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggerheads.com/</a></p>
<p>This is, I would hazard, a selective view of our evil masters. When they pass laws you can use against others, use them. When they don&#8217;t pass laws that suit you, castigate them. Quite the little libertarian? Not really.</p>
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