Casting the net - Controversy and polls


by Aaron Heath    
November 23, 2007 at 11:32 am

I’m out of bread and milk, so today’s links are powered by strong black coffee and HobNobs.

The Left: the real fascists?
Tristan Mills [Liberty Alone] has created a stir with a short post (inspired by this Tim Worstall [Trading Floor] article) asserting that fascists are left wing. Tristan explains: “Of course, if we take the political compass of left-right economics and authoritarian-libertarian socially, fascism and communism would coincide, they just differ on what differentiates people and what determines their actions - communists take class, fascists take race, blood or nationality…” Hmmm. It’s the old left must mean socialist assumption.

In fairness to Mills, he does ponder the limitations of political language, which “allow people sharing similar opinions being on different wings of the political spectrum…”

John Dixon [a radical writes] picks up the gauntlet (which, let’s be frank, is simply about the blurring between economic and social definitions of right and left): “My view of left and right is not so much based on [Tristan Mills'] well defined methods but on which people those methods are aimed at helping, whether it is aimed at creating equality and fraternity in society or class and hierarchy. Under those definitions which I find portray the left and right far more accurately fascism is a thoroughly right wing ideology.” Charlotte Gore [Charlotte Gore's Diary] is next up, and takes a very Classical Liberal approach, arguing that Fascism is “a variant of classical conservatism.” Why can’t we just all get along, eh?

Polls
A Guardian poll [link] indicates that Huhne has a 20% lead over the Cleggster, but there are some concerns over the validity of the sample used [Politicalbetting.com]. Indeed, Stephen Tall [Lib Dem Voice] isn’t convinced: “These kinds of polls fill newspaper column inches; but have absolutely no predictive powers, except by fluke. Even the forthcoming YouGov poll [...] should be taken with a pinch of salt, as its one full survey in 2006 proved to be wide of the mark.”

And, according to YouGov poll [link], the Tories enjoy a 9-point lead over Labour - a poll linked to the Data fiasco. Mike Smithson [Politicalbetting.com], as ever, has commentary.

Elsewhere
Question That - Jahongir Sidikov: List of Supporters

Spy Blog - Did the NAO hand over the 25 million HMRC Child Benefit records to KPMG, unencrypted?

Indigo Jo Blogs - Woman killed for rejecting proposal on chat show

Westminster Wisdom - Electability (highly recommended)

Simon Titley/Lib Dem Voice - Opinion: Will you take the ‘Bunker Pledge’?

Right, off to the shops. Catch you Monday. Bye.

· About the author: Aaron Heath is a regular contributor to Liberal Conspiracy. He is a writer based in Tallinn, Estonia. He is both socially and economically liberal. His main areas of interest are foreign affairs, culture, technology, and economics. As a father of two, he also writes about parenting. Also at: tygerland.net and Rational Geekery

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at 4:29 pm on November 23, 2007
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1.  comment by
     DonaldS

One would have to be very silly indeed, not to mention completely ignorant about the roots and power bases of leftist and fascist movements, to seriously think Fascism was left-wing.

The DPRK is a Stalinist country.
They are Democratic.
So,
Democracy=Stalinism.
QED.

at 4:38 pm on November 23, 2007
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2.  comment by
     Sunny Hundal

In addition to that, and to Charlotte’s post, I approach the whole ‘is fascism right-wing or left-wing issue’ from a different perspective. And that is a social one.

People concerned about economic freedom will deem that fascism and its ilk, like the BNP’s own policies, are left-wing because they are national socialist. In other words their economic policies are left-wing than right-wing (I know how Charlotte hates that phrase, heh).

But on social issues, fascists everywhere behave like ultra-traditional conservatives. They want a perfect social utopia based on racial purity and base it on some ideal in the past when everything was perfect. They are decidedly against protecting minority groups, not really concerned about social justice broadly, aren’t internationalist, and are very socially conservative.

Hence, they remain right-wing for me.

at 5:35 pm on November 23, 2007
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     ian

Simplistic labelling on a single dimension is so silly as to be meaningless. People concerned with economic freedom will probably place fascism and communism on the same end of the axis, but it isn’t a left-right axis. The economic and social dimensions are clearly different, but I suspect that one could identify others that would require multidimensional mathematics to analyse. Sites like Political Compass (http://www.politicalcompass.org/) try to handle this complexity, but I have never been completely happy with the approach. I suspect that in the nature of things we will never get complete agreement.

at 9:07 pm on November 24, 2007
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4.  comment by
     Richard W.

The Left v Right idealogical conflict is an obsolete dinosaur of a bloody 20th century - and a distraction to the challenges we face in the early 21st.

So ‘Left-Right’ politics has no place in the 21st century - it’s all ‘Up-Down’…

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