Comments on: Are ID Cards dead? http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2007/11/21/are-id-cards-dead/ If there wasn't one before, it's time we started it... Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:02:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: sanbikinoraion http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2007/11/21/are-id-cards-dead/#comment-1239 sanbikinoraion Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:50:19 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2007/11/21/are-id-cards-dead/#comment-1239 I think Robert might be "sleepwalking" :P I think Robert might be “sleepwalking” :P

]]> By: Jennie http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2007/11/21/are-id-cards-dead/#comment-1214 Jennie Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:33:03 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2007/11/21/are-id-cards-dead/#comment-1214 Only half way, Robert? You're a lot less cynical than I Only half way, Robert? You’re a lot less cynical than I

]]> By: Robert http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2007/11/21/are-id-cards-dead/#comment-1182 Robert Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:36:53 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2007/11/21/are-id-cards-dead/#comment-1182 One thing that irritates me about the debate on this issue is over the meaning of "voluntary". I recall that ID cards were initially going to be "voluntary" because you would register for one when you applied for or renewed your "voluntary" passport. Also, it seems we have already "volunteered" information to various government departments already. So the key moment of no return is when the "voluntary" aspect of the scheme is removed. When you can no longer write or call a company or agency and ask for your details to be withdrawn from the database. Perhaps a useful use of this site would be to compile a list of government agencies, the information they hold on you, and the ease of removing that data, should one so wish. That way we can see the chinks in the armour, and the point at which the "database state" can no longer be rolled back. I fear we are halfway there already. One thing that irritates me about the debate on this issue is over the meaning of “voluntary”. I recall that ID cards were initially going to be “voluntary” because you would register for one when you applied for or renewed your “voluntary” passport. Also, it seems we have already “volunteered” information to various government departments already.

So the key moment of no return is when the “voluntary” aspect of the scheme is removed. When you can no longer write or call a company or agency and ask for your details to be withdrawn from the database.

Perhaps a useful use of this site would be to compile a list of government agencies, the information they hold on you, and the ease of removing that data, should one so wish. That way we can see the chinks in the armour, and the point at which the “database state” can no longer be rolled back. I fear we are halfway there already.

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